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| On the lighter side... | Sep 22, 2025 |
Philip Lees wrote:
In many cases, it was the immigrants who brought things (...) with them, when they came to establish themselves in a new territory.
Actually, we have got and known new foodstuffs for everyday life long before the internet came up. For example, since the first Italians came to Germany, more than 60 years ago, followed by Greeks, Spaniards, Turks, Moroccans and people from a few other countries, after a while, you could find much more than just potatoes and cabbage for months, unlike in the past. (At that time, those immigrants were called "Gastarbeiter" ("guest workers"). Without them, the German economic miracle would have been quite impossible. Initially, they were offered essential, poor housing (= dormitories and barracks) as they were expected to return soon to their countries. Many of them, however, didn't go back but continued to work, got better housing and started a family there. Today, exponents of their second and third generation are represented at universities and in politics, the press and on TV and so on.)
But thanks to the immigrants, Germans discovered kebab, baklava, tortilla and couscous, which can be found everywhere today, and mainly, several years before, ingredients and dishes introduced by the Italians like zucchini, broccoli, olive oil, durum wheat pasta, ossobuco, espresso, ciabatta, pizza, tiramisù and so on which since way back have become a regular part of life for most families and contributed to change the local food culture.
This probably applies to all countries in which immigrants have access, leading as a side effect to the development of a multiethnic and multicultural and (in the long term) hopefully more tolerant and open-minded society.
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mroed wrote:
And since I have no desire to be called a liar by just anyone, I am leaving this discussion, in which one group thinks it can dominate the discourse. This is precisely what has been driving the division in our societies for years. A glance at the USA is enough to see this.
Nobody has called you a liar. Even if it weren’t for the troll trolling, the discourse here was always going to be dominated by the tolerant, inclusive side, because so many of us here are ourselves migrants, and translators by definition help bring people of different nations together. Bowing out as some kind of bullied minority is cowardly; if you have a case to present, do so, convincingly, with evidence.
If migrants were solely a drain on resources, the West would have kicked them all out long ago. It’s basic economics, no?
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| Side Effects | Sep 22, 2025 |
There is good and bad in it for all of us (migrant or not). Obviously the side effects don't seem to matter to you. Then so be it.
I am off, too.
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| the migrants who are the real heavy burden in my region (and beyond)... | Sep 22, 2025 |
... are those temporary ones called "tourists".
They've led to housing shortage in most places here (South Tyrol, a mainly German-speaking province of Italy) thanks to the airbnb-ification of thousands of apartments.
The same tourism led to cities, towns and mountains becoming unattractive places, with hords of temporary migrants invading streets, lanes and trails 10 months out of 12, many of them just to make a selfie in front of the latest trending hotspot in the socials.
Hou... See more ... are those temporary ones called "tourists".
They've led to housing shortage in most places here (South Tyrol, a mainly German-speaking province of Italy) thanks to the airbnb-ification of thousands of apartments.
The same tourism led to cities, towns and mountains becoming unattractive places, with hords of temporary migrants invading streets, lanes and trails 10 months out of 12, many of them just to make a selfie in front of the latest trending hotspot in the socials.
House prices are among the highest in Central Europe, competing with Munich and Monaco.
At the same time, there has been immigration from various countries around the world. These people do all the work that we indigenous don't want to do. So they're serving, cooking and cleaning in the restaurant, looking after our elderly relatives, cleaning the shopping malls we frequent, the offices we work in, and the toilets we use, reaping the apples you'd buy around the world, and so on. And of course they work in the hotels where the temporary migrants reside for some weeks (or rather days now).
I just forgot: They are contributing to our parents' pension.
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Philip Lees
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| Imported technology | Sep 23, 2025 |
Tom in London wrote:
...The Brits are very proud of Boudica, Queen of the Iceni, because she resisted the Roman invaders
And quite right! Everybody loves an anti-establishment hero - Boudica, Robin Hood, Dick Turpin.
So it's perhaps ironic that the chariot in that statue of Boudica is of Roman design.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boadicea_and_Her_Daughters
"The chariot is based on Roman models, not native British or Iceni models, and has a scythe blade attached to each wheel."
Also ironic is the fact that the only reason we know about Boudica is because Roman historians wrote about her.
[Edited to add historian reference]
[Edited at 2025-09-23 05:57 GMT]
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Philip Lees wrote:
... that statue of Boudica is of Roman design
You need to make some allowances. The bronze sculpture was begun by Thomas Thornycroft in the 1850s but it wasn't was cast until after his death and was erected in 1902. The statue reflects the Victorians' famously vivid imagination more than historical certainty. However I did a little research: chariots were in fact used by Britons before the Romans arrived, as was noted by the Roman invaders:
Genus hoc est ex essedis pugnae. Primo per omnes partes perequitant et tela coniciunt atque ipso terrore equorum et strepitu rotarum ordines plerumque perturbant, et cum se inter equitum turmas insinuaverunt, ex essedis desiliunt et pedibus proeliantur. Aurigae interim paulatim ex proelio excedunt atque ita currus collocant, ut, si illi a multitudine hostium premantur, expeditum ad suos receptum habeant. Ita mobilitatem equitum, stabilitatem peditum in proeliis praestant, ac tantum usu cotidiano et exercitatione efficiunt, uti in declivi ac praecipiti loco incitatos equos sustinere et brevi moderari ac flectere et per temonem percurrere et in iugo insistere et se inde in currus citissime recipere consuerint.
Julius Caesar in Commentarii de Bello Gallico Book IV, chapters 33–34
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| | | | | “Not far right. Just right.” | Sep 23, 2025 |
Gudrun Wolfrath wrote:
There is good and bad in it for all of us (migrant or not). Obviously the side effects don't seem to matter to you. Then so be it.
I am off, too.
Your sole contribution to the topic has been to lever in Pakistani grooming gangs and insinuate that those who believe in welcoming refugees are not bothered by such crimes.
I’ve seen better arguments on Facebook to be honest. It’s no better than the troll insinuating that we all support the murder of Kirk.
Do you not think we reach our position after giving it just a little thought? That we might be aware of the pressures that mass immigration brings? And reach a balanced opinion?
Meanwhile, we have the far right also now threatening to kick out a big chunk of the existing UK population. What process of logical thinking led to that?
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Gerard Barry
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| Kettle, pot, black | Sep 23, 2025 |
Maria Laura Curzi wrote:
P.L.F. Persio wrote:
Sarah Elizabeth wrote:
My point was that the embrace of migrants in this village has saved it, at least for now, opening up possibilities for locals as well that were otherwise unavailable. The local primary school was also saved, thanks to the influx of migrants.
I described the village as 'practically vibrant' because unemployment and underemployment are still painfully high and it remains to be seen whether this cultural shift and embrace will solve it. But the people of the village, locals and migrants together, are committed to trying.
They are striving to make it a model of successful integration, and it seems to be working. People and groups come there from all over to learn about it and study it, writing articles and making documentaries about it.
Tom was mocking the trolls, clutching their pearls and shouting Won't somebody think of the children! What they're doing in your husband's village is an outstanding example of good will. You say they're committed to trying, and that's the spirit. United we stand!
What this troll, who keeps vomiting his hate speech infested with revolting xenophobia every single time he participates in this topic (or in every topic at ProZ forums, as we have already seen), doesn't understand is that there's only one world for everybody to live in, one world for all, no matter the economic condition, skin color, gender identity, or any other BS bias.
It's just one world for all, and thus everybody has the right to search for better opportunities to live and thrive in any place in this only world.
The truly pathetic thing is that the troll himself is an economic migrant. He must struggle a lot not to hate his reflection when he sees that poor alien in the mirror.
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Gerard Barry wrote:
I wouldn't mind at all. But the German government doesn't deport anyone.
You "literally cannot go back to Ireland because of the severe shortage of housing", but you wouldn't mind at all to be sent back to that same country.
You're so full of s**t that the toilet is jealous. [Bijgewerkt op 2025-09-04 07:20 GMT]
Oh yes! And by now, the repeated hate speech he keeps spewing is quite monotonous and boring. The troll seems like an AI chatbot.
You're fairly boring and repetitive yourself, you hysterical old Marxist I won't say what. Furthermore, you clearly have a deep hatred for Europe and its peoples if you think it's okay for use to be replaced by other peoples.
PS: I'm not an economic migrant. I came to Germany because it was impossible to find salaried employment as a translator there. Earnings and standards of living are similar in Ireland and Germany.
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Gerard Barry wrote:
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PS: I'm not an economic migrant. I came to Germany because it was impossible to find salaried employment as a translator there. Earnings and standards of living are similar in Ireland and Germany.
Seems to be the very definition of an economic migrant: Couldn't find work in A so went to B
So what applies to you does not apply to other people (of non-European background)? If they don't find work in their country they are for some strange reason not allowed to move to another country to make a living?
These days it really makes me wonder where humanity and comme sense has disappeared to...
| | | | | Thread locked as it drifted into political topics; thanks for contributing. | Sep 23, 2025 |
Hi everyone,
I hope that you are all doing well.
I know this thread is in the "Off topic" section, but it’s been drifting more and more into political and controversial areas. Since those kinds of discussions fall outside the scope of the site, I’m going to lock the thread here.
Thanks to all of you who joined in and contributed in good faith —we appreciate the participation!
See you all a... See more Hi everyone,
I hope that you are all doing well.
I know this thread is in the "Off topic" section, but it’s been drifting more and more into political and controversial areas. Since those kinds of discussions fall outside the scope of the site, I’m going to lock the thread here.
Thanks to all of you who joined in and contributed in good faith —we appreciate the participation!
See you all at the International Translation Day 2025: https://www.proz.com/tv/ITD2025
Best,
Agostina Menghini
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