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| | Cecilia Civetta 
Италия
Local time: 23:07
Член ProZ.com c 2003
итальянский => испанский
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I sometimes remember my dreams, but I never remember in which language they were.
| | | | Simon Bruni
Великобритания
Local time: 22:07
Член ProZ.com c 2009
испанский => английский
| A philosophical can of worms | Jun 26, 2010 |
The idea of internal 'language' has always fascinated me. If we are talking about the language of the dialogue between the 'characters' in a dream, who for me tend to be people from my everyday life, then it tends to be the local language, in my case Spanish in Spain or English in England, unless my dream has transported me elsewhere, naturally.
Aside from dialogue, I would argue that 'the language in which you dream' is a completely different notion to the language that one speaks,... See more The idea of internal 'language' has always fascinated me. If we are talking about the language of the dialogue between the 'characters' in a dream, who for me tend to be people from my everyday life, then it tends to be the local language, in my case Spanish in Spain or English in England, unless my dream has transported me elsewhere, naturally.
Aside from dialogue, I would argue that 'the language in which you dream' is a completely different notion to the language that one speaks, a bit like the 'language in which you think', i.e. concepts and feelings not necessarily expressed internally by words. When communicating information to others, you have to encode concepts into a language in order to transmit them; I have always wondered what form, if any, these concepts take before they are encoded as strings of words. Of course, the other argument is that thoughts and language are inseparable. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Alison Sabedoria (X)
Великобритания
французский => английский
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| As Simon says... | Jun 26, 2010 |
My dreams exist as "concepts", and only fall into one particular language when a character speaks. It's quite normal to have English and French-speaking characters in the same conversation, and the mix seems to be fairly even (other languages do occasionally put in a cameo appearence).
Similarly, I'm often unable to remember if something I've read or heard was in English or French. The idea remains in my head, but not the means of transmission, unless there's something striking abo... See more My dreams exist as "concepts", and only fall into one particular language when a character speaks. It's quite normal to have English and French-speaking characters in the same conversation, and the mix seems to be fairly even (other languages do occasionally put in a cameo appearence).
Similarly, I'm often unable to remember if something I've read or heard was in English or French. The idea remains in my head, but not the means of transmission, unless there's something striking about the words themselves, as in poetry.
[Edited at 2010-06-26 09:57 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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Parrot
Испания
Local time: 23:07
испанский => английский
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| All, at one time or another | Jun 26, 2010 |
Simon Bruni wrote:
Aside from dialogue, I would argue that 'the language in which you dream' is a completely different notion to the language that one speaks, a bit like the 'language in which you think',
I call it my "break point". It usually happens when I've been grappling with another language trying to activate it (during or after protracted stays in the second-language country, for ex.). For me it means good news, you're getting there. It doesn't have to be logical.
| | | | CecileF
Австралия
Local time: 06:37
английский => французский
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When I am in France (in my dreams), I usually dream in Fren ch. If I dream that I am in England or Australia, I speak English. The fun bit comes whenmy dreams involve my Portuguese relatives: they speak Portuguese to me, but as in real life, I reply either in French or English as my Portuguese isn't very good.
| | | | John Cutler
Испания
Local time: 23:07
испанский => английский
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| The one I would normally use... | Jun 26, 2010 |
I do remember certain specific phrases from my dreams. I'd say I speak the language in my dreams that I would normally use with each person in my waking hours.
I had a dream a couple of weeks ago in which I was with a Catalan. I was speaking Catalan with him in the dream. It impressed me enough so that I mentioned it the next day to my wife. I know I've also dreamt in Spanish, although more rarely.
I'm sure I must dream in English too, but perhaps that seems so normal I... See more I do remember certain specific phrases from my dreams. I'd say I speak the language in my dreams that I would normally use with each person in my waking hours.
I had a dream a couple of weeks ago in which I was with a Catalan. I was speaking Catalan with him in the dream. It impressed me enough so that I mentioned it the next day to my wife. I know I've also dreamt in Spanish, although more rarely.
I'm sure I must dream in English too, but perhaps that seems so normal I don't remember as well. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Including the languages I don't speak very well! | Jun 26, 2010 |
I remember on more than one occasion conversations Italian and German where I was having problems finding the words I needed.
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wonita (X)
Китай
Local time: 17:07
| Funny indeed | Jun 26, 2010 |
All men dream,
but more than 2% translators do not.
| | | | | Interesting question | Jun 26, 2010 |
I think in most of the dreams I remember, me and the caracters always speak in languages I know. But I think it's just the brain processing the information.
When I speak in certain language I always try to think in that language. It was specially difficult when I first moved to Brazil, because I had zero knoowledge of portuguese, and in the beginning it was very complicated, like being a child again.
So I think it's the same thing with dreams, if your brain understands ... See more I think in most of the dreams I remember, me and the caracters always speak in languages I know. But I think it's just the brain processing the information.
When I speak in certain language I always try to think in that language. It was specially difficult when I first moved to Brazil, because I had zero knoowledge of portuguese, and in the beginning it was very complicated, like being a child again.
So I think it's the same thing with dreams, if your brain understands what's going on, then it would dream in a language you know, but if it doesn't, then it could be any language or even an unintelligible string of sounds, that you may consider as a language, as the orangutang sounds in "Murders in the Rue Morgue" by Poe.
As Bachelard says, dreams are like childhood half of them are what you remember and the other half is what you imagine. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Thayenga
Германия
Local time: 23:07
Член ProZ.com c 2009
английский => немецкий
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Most of my dreams are either in English or in Spanish, hardly ever in German, my native tongue.
However, the language "spoken" in the dream also depends on its context which can easily result in a "wild" combination of my working languages, those I only know a few words of (e. g. Greek, Japanese) and is, at times, "spiced" with Native American languages, mainly Lakota and Cherokee.
When I wake up, oddly enough, I usually remember what had been said. Sometimes even the l... See more Most of my dreams are either in English or in Spanish, hardly ever in German, my native tongue.
However, the language "spoken" in the dream also depends on its context which can easily result in a "wild" combination of my working languages, those I only know a few words of (e. g. Greek, Japanese) and is, at times, "spiced" with Native American languages, mainly Lakota and Cherokee.
When I wake up, oddly enough, I usually remember what had been said. Sometimes even the language the dream was narrated in which could have been a completely different one. In short, my dreams often remind me of that time when the Tower of Babel fell. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Ghost translators ?! | Jun 26, 2010 |
Bin Tiede wrote:
All men dream,
but more than 2% translators do not.
You are right, Bin, the only moment when humans don't dream is when they are dead.
So, those 2 per cent voters are certainly ghost translators
I didn't imagine that one could miss ProZ so much that s/he sends his/her spectre from the hereafter to participate to polls.
Catherine
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Karin Berling
США
Local time: 17:07
Член ProZ.com c 2010
норвежский (букмол) => английский
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| Dreams and nightmares | Jun 26, 2010 |
I dream in all the languages I know, although I have found that people in my dreams only speak in the languages they know. Part of my current day-to-day adventures is to immerse my two small kids in my native Norwegian, and I frequently correct them when they speak English back to me. This scenario follows me into my dreams at night - always a nagging mother - haha. Makes me wonder which, if any, languages my bilingual kids dream in.
I recently had a nightmare where I was doi... See more I dream in all the languages I know, although I have found that people in my dreams only speak in the languages they know. Part of my current day-to-day adventures is to immerse my two small kids in my native Norwegian, and I frequently correct them when they speak English back to me. This scenario follows me into my dreams at night - always a nagging mother - haha. Makes me wonder which, if any, languages my bilingual kids dream in.
I recently had a nightmare where I was doing a rush translation and the text kept changing into a language I do not know. I was so stressed out when I woke up and my heart was racing...
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| | | | cazabonne
Local time: 16:07
английский => французский
| IN 2nd language | Jun 26, 2010 |
Am French native, and have started dreaming in English when I was about 18, though I had spent only 2 summers in an English speaking country, and I had no exposure to English apart from my school classes.
Now that I have been living in the US now for 10 years, I never dream in French.
Emma
| | | | Jenn Mercer
США
Local time: 17:07
Член ProZ.com c 2009
французский => английский
| Don't forget the computers | Jun 26, 2010 |
Catherine GUILLIAUMET wrote: Bin Tiede wrote:
All men dream,
but more than 2% translators do not. You are right, Bin, the only moment when humans don't dream is when they are dead. So, those 2 per cent voters are certainly ghost translators I didn't imagine that one could miss ProZ so much that s/he sends his/her spectre from the hereafter to participate to polls. Catherine
Perhaps those are the machine translators?
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