To celebrate Chinese New Year...

stone118 wrote:

Remember, you are talking with alive individuals HERE, you're not chatting with those drug dealers or murderers in your country. If you have any thing to say about them, please go find them and speak to them.

Angus Woo wrote:

The second question is: If bias in the media is what you want to talk about and you do think those articles are unbiased, then are you suggesting that the Chinese community in NZ consists of more criminals than hard working, decent and lawful NZ Chinese citizens?

Lesley McLachlan wrote:
There is a misunderstanding here. This thread is not really about criminals, though we can talk about them if we want. It is about bias in the media! It just happens that almost all the sories (about China and Chinese people) in the top stories has been about crime so far - it's not my choice what article Stuff highlights each day!

Lesley McLachlan wrote:
A local person (a lawyer) here told me that, in his opinion, of the Asians, the old civilisations (Chinese and Japanese) adapt more easily than the newer ones (Korea, Philippines). They come, they look around and just fit in with the local way of doing things - exactly as Angus said. (We are quite a stable and conservative city, not very large - he would have been referring to HK and Taiwan settlers I think). It is not nice to compare though, is it.
估计律师先生还没遇到过大陆来的(少数)'无产阶级黑帮朋友'青年们,骗人,走私(毒品),抢人,杀死自己女朋友(可怕).也有人作假结婚移民为生意.

Lesley McLachlan wrote:
Take a look at this, another instance where national celebration (Shenzhou) was turned in the direction of national jingoism. http://www.proz.com/topic/37928?start=0 It's disappointing.

Yueyin Sun wrote:
I am also wondering why you deleted all of your comments overnight. Does it mean that you realized all of the comments you had made was wrong? Have you ever heard the Chinese saying: 君子一言，驷马难追！

stone118 wrote:

Lesley, when a person can not reflect on his own deeds and thougnts, and have no sense at all of his own prejudice, there's no any good for anyone to 'debate' or 'communicate' with him.

Lesley McLachlan wrote:
Why do you say that...we have a saying in English 'give other people the benefit of the doubt'

Lesley McLachlan wrote:
I have answered that question twice already, in that thread and in this thread on Feb 1. I deleted my comments because I felt my contribution looked too dominant. I considered that everything that was relevant was encapsulated in the responses of others.I don't believe that anything significant to the discussion was deleted. I am not going to use that facility in that way again...

Lesley McLachlan wrote:
jingoism - I will come back to that in another post. Perhaps it needs to be defined ('chauvinism' in another post caused consternation because of the Marxist dictionaries others were using...)

jingoism = the extreme belief that your own country is always best, which is often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country. eg Patriotism can turn into jingoism and intolerance very quickly. (Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
I was pointing out that the Western media just like any others could be biased. Just the same as the 'top stories' in NZ could be biased, too.

Kevin Yang wrote:

Dear Chinese translators,

Thank you so much for your inputs and participation in this discussion. I was so busy with some translation jobs last couple days and was not able to respond to every message you posted. However, I enjoyed reading all your posts. They are very well written. We are from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Canada, United States, China and other places in the world. Our viewpoints are much better reflecting the thoughts and attitudes of the Chinese people in general. Please live your proud life and make more money by providing translation services in this year.

I am writing another post for this thread, just for keeping the record straight. I noticed this discussion has been twisted so many ways by one NZ individual, and she took more attention than she deserves. I will try to finish up my new message and post it soon.

For now, I like to say to you that it is really not our job to educate or convince a New Zealander, because her news media is managed by the people like her. By reading all her posts as whole, you should not be surprised by seeing what kind of product their media produced and the consequences took place. If you may notice, the so-called top stories in NZ are from one online news website. That's all her source to get news and fulfill her thirst to understand the world. But the news stories she enjoys reading failed to report the hard working Chinese people and their successful stories, instead, rather focusing on the crimes and malpractice of the Chinese, feeding the people like her with the news that she likes to hear, and making them sensational.

Her point here is that her county's media or the western media is not biased, and it covers the truth reality. She tried to convince you that she understands the Chinese better than us and we are the people who wear "rosy tinted glasses" and "self-serving" like a "chorus". The problem is there are many things can be reported so as to reflect the life in a balanced society, but they were only selectively report the bad news which particularly has to do with certain Chinese individual. Their agenda is clearly to portrait the Chinese as criminals and source of problems. Now, this NZ individual brought all those bad news here and made herself as a bad news. Whenever I see her, I know it is bad news. Everything she said and quoted here are in sync with their backward ideology and understanding about the Chinese people. We, as the elites of the Chinese people, are so excited and happily have stepped into the 2006 now, but those familiar noises still can be heard to this date. Let's just look at them as from the lonely flies that are bumping on the window glass in the cold winter. The Chinese people will happily live their way as who they are and laughing all the way to the bank. I apologize for the bad experience at the beginning of the New Year, it made me felt like getting sprayed by a skunk. I hope it is considered as a good luck in New Zealand.

Kevin


[Edited at 2006-02-03 22:32]

Yueyin Sun wrote:

Lesley,

It sounds like as if you were unbiased. If so, how do you explain your previous comments as below? Is this also a misunderstanding?