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expressisverbis
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| Universities, translation and etc. | Apr 24, 2023 |
Eugenio Garcia-Salmones wrote:
Rather, universities should stop offering translation degrees and make it a specialisation minor.
At least in Portugal translation is already part of a specialisation in a course in arts/humanities.
I think that young people today, or anyone else, have the right to pursue and decide the career they want.
It's not going to be you or me or anyone else telling them that in the translation business there's no future, that we will see the end of the profession soon, translators are "dead", and other things I've read here recently about the profession that to me are nothing but exaggerations.
Life gives us enough to worry about already. Let's not have more worries.
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Eugenio Garcia-Salmones wrote:
Rather, universities should stop offering translation degrees and make it a specialisation minor.
Although AI is not currently generative, with today's computing power, very high degrees of perfection have already been reached, but without the capacity to replace humans, however, as quantum computing advances, we will see the end of the profession. Offering translation careers to young people today is a scam, it is robbing them of the years they need to prepare themselves for the future, which is obviously not in translation.
Cordially
I wouldn't have advised the profession to young people even 10-20 years ago. If this is a matter of advising the youth, it doesn't make a difference now vs. a long time ago, at least from my perspective.
Re. the universities, well uni teachers need a salary and a reason to justify their existence and pay check, right? That's why they keep teaching classes that don't help anyone make a decent living (or any living for that matter) afterwards.
| | | | Tom in London
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Bearing in mind that AI is going to make all jobs unnecessary, give me
(a) some examples of careers I should suggest to a 17-year old today
(b) some examples of careers I should not suggest to a 17-year old today
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Lingua 5B
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Tom in London wrote:
Bearing in mind that AI is going to make all jobs unnecessary, give me
(a) some examples of careers I should suggest to a 17-year old today
(b) some examples of careers I should not suggest to a 17-year old today
(a) Suggestion: AI marketing campaign brainwasher (global markets)
(b) Will think about this one.
Basically they can look into the AI career itself. You know when they create a tool, then brainwash then entire world how this tool is cool and necessary so they can return their investment.
[Edited at 2023-04-24 16:26 GMT]
| | | | Gerard de Noord
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TOPIC STARTER | Luthier or opera singer | Apr 24, 2023 |
Tom in London wrote:
Bearing in mind that AI is going to make all jobs unnecessary, give me
(a) some examples of careers I should suggest to a 17-year old today
(b) some examples of careers I should not suggest to a 17-year old today
[email protected] asked ChatGPT:
Give me a long list of professions that can never be replaced by artificial intelligence.
It's difficult to say with certainty which professions can never be replaced by artificial intelligence, as the field of AI is constantly evolving and new breakthroughs are being made all the time. However, there are certain jobs that are less likely to be automated due to their unique human qualities and skills. Here is a list of some professions that may be less likely to be replaced by AI:
Artist - While AI can create some impressive works of art, human creativity, imagination, and emotion are difficult to replicate.
Writer - While AI can generate text based on data inputs, it is unlikely to produce the same level of nuance, depth, and creativity as a human writer.
Teacher - While AI can assist with teaching, it is unlikely to replace the human connection and empathy that teachers bring to the classroom.
Psychologist - While AI can process and analyze data, it is unlikely to replace the human touch and emotional intelligence required in the field of psychology.
Social Worker - While AI can process and analyze data, it is unlikely to replace the human empathy and interpersonal skills required in the field of social work.
Doctor - While AI can assist with medical diagnoses and treatment plans, it is unlikely to replace the human empathy, intuition, and critical thinking skills required in the field of medicine.
Counselor - While AI can provide guidance based on data, it is unlikely to replace the human connection, empathy, and intuition required in the field of counseling.
Chef - While AI can assist with food preparation and recipe creation, it is unlikely to replace the human creativity, intuition, and sensory skills required in the field of culinary arts.
Actor - While AI can create digital actors, it is unlikely to replace the human emotional range and authenticity required in the field of acting.
Politician - While AI can assist with data analysis and decision-making, it is unlikely to replace the human charisma, persuasion, and leadership skills required in the field of politics.
Religious Leader - While AI can assist with religious texts and teachings, it is unlikely to replace the human connection, empathy, and spirituality required in the field of religion.
Musician - While AI can create music, it is unlikely to replace the human creativity, emotion, and improvisation required in the field of music.
Athlete - While AI can assist with training and performance analysis, it is unlikely to replace the human physical skills and competitive drive required in the field of sports.
Lawyer - While AI can assist with legal research and document analysis, it is unlikely to replace the human critical thinking, judgment, and persuasive skills required in the field of law.
Historian - While AI can assist with data analysis and research, it is unlikely to replace the human interpretation, analysis, and storytelling skills required in the field of history.
[email protected] asked ChatGPT:
Could you also add manual and artisan jobs to this list.
Certainly! Here are some manual and artisan jobs that are less likely to be replaced by AI:
Carpenter - While AI can assist with some aspects of woodworking, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create unique and beautiful pieces.
Welder - While AI can assist with some aspects of welding, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create strong and precise welds.
Blacksmith - While AI can assist with some aspects of metalworking, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to forge and shape metal by hand.
Tailor - While AI can assist with some aspects of clothing production, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create custom-fitted garments.
Shoemaker - While AI can assist with some aspects of shoe production, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create custom-made shoes.
Glassblower - While AI can assist with some aspects of glass production, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create intricate and delicate glass pieces.
Potter - While AI can assist with some aspects of pottery production, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create unique and beautiful ceramic pieces.
Sculptor - While AI can assist with some aspects of sculpting, it is unlikely to replace the human creativity and artistry required to create complex and expressive sculptures.
Farmer - While AI can assist with some aspects of farming, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and intuition required to tend to crops and livestock.
Landscaper - While AI can assist with some aspects of landscaping, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to design and maintain beautiful outdoor spaces.
Construction Worker - While AI can assist with some aspects of construction, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and problem-solving required to build complex structures.
Electrician - While AI can assist with some aspects of electrical work, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and intuition required to troubleshoot and repair electrical systems.
Plumber - While AI can assist with some aspects of plumbing, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and problem-solving required to install and repair plumbing systems.
Automotive Mechanic - While AI can assist with some aspects of automotive repair, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and intuition required to diagnose and fix complex mechanical problems.
Barber/Hairstylist - While AI can assist with some aspects of hair cutting and styling, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create unique and personalized looks for clients.
| | | | Inge Schumacher
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| ChatGPT score in French Projet Voltaire score | Apr 24, 2023 |
Daniel Frisano wrote:
... that AI plateaued more than a decade ago, chronically unable to get past perhaps a 6 or 7 out of 10 level in translation competence, completeness, consistency and fluency. Examples abound everywhere.
Yes, DeepL, I'm looking at you and all your little brothers.
Good if you're a mediocre translator, say a 5, willing to "elevate" yourself to a 7. Pretty much useless if you're an 8 or 9.
I agree which has been said here. Only yesterday I saw on the Projet Voltaire (a French spelling and grammar assessment which is widely used by the most important French companies and millions of French people) web site that ChatGPT was tested by Projet Voltaire and it only obtained 589/1000 points!! I was actually quite surprised because, having used ChatGPT myself (it IS actually really amazing!), I expected it to do much better!!
I have 950/1000 points. More than 900 is considered as an expert level which is mandatory for i.e. translators, French teachers etc. So I am not really that worried about AI. I also had propositions for training and improving AI and I am certainly going to work on one of those projects soon.
But I also think that, today, studying for years and years to become a professional translator is certainly not the best idea. My hairdresser earns certainely more than me
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| | | | Tom in London
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| Like, totally | Apr 25, 2023 |
Inge Schumacher wrote:
(it IS actually really amazing!)
But does the amazement last? I hate the flatness of ChatGPT text.
Another possible career for a 17 year old:
Planning, organising, resourcing, and implementing the replacement of a traffic light system on a 4-way junction. to include temporary traffic lights while the work is going on, the provision of a new power source, etc.
(This suggestion is based on some work that was done recently, near my house).
[Edited at 2023-04-25 07:22 GMT]
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David GAY
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| AI proof professions | Apr 25, 2023 |
Tom in London wrote:
Bearing in mind that AI is going to make all jobs unnecessary, give me
(a) some examples of careers I should suggest to a 17-year old today
(b) some examples of careers I should not suggest to a 17-year old today
engineer, technicians of all kinds, craftsman, computer scientist. Translators are particularly at risk because this job has already been outsourced.
[Edited at 2023-04-25 12:51 GMT]
| | | | | I like these lists, especially the second one | Apr 25, 2023 |
Gerard de Noord wrote:
Carpenter - While AI can assist with some aspects of woodworking, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create unique and beautiful pieces.
Welder - While AI can assist with some aspects of welding, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create strong and precise welds.
Blacksmith - While AI can assist with some aspects of metalworking, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to forge and shape metal by hand.
Tailor - While AI can assist with some aspects of clothing production, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create custom-fitted garments.
Shoemaker - While AI can assist with some aspects of shoe production, it is unlikely to replace the human skill and creativity required to create custom-made shoes...
We have a joke about a family where the husband is a welder and the wife does nails, and they don't know what to do with all the money they're raking in. One thing I like about the Soviet system is the genuine respect for the working class. Some people in the nomenklatura would look down on the ordinary work folk, but overall, it was a thing of honor to be part of them. This heritage has been nearly lost since the perestroika time, and I hope it will be revived (but not to the point where a factory worker earns way more money than a qualified engineer simply because the country needs more factory workers, which was a trend that started taking shape in the 1950s, I believe). Whatever you're doing for a living, you have to be good at it, and the people who can go all the way to achieving exellence in their trade will always be a minority. It's the same thing with translation. According to one of the big translation proz, only 10% of the folks who are active in the translation market will do a job well no matter what; there is a bigger percentage of those who'll do it well if you pay them well, and the majority just can't do anything properly under any circumstances (again, this is not my observation, but I do find good sense in it). The AI didn't mention bureaucrats, so doesn't it mean that one day they will all become jobless? I don't want to deal with e-bureaucrats, they will surely be worse than their human predecessors
| | | | expressisverbis
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| Consider the consequences of AI, but... at another level | Aug 25, 2023 |
Consider the consequences of AI before you transform your space with AI-powered interior and exterior design:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uXc4vdN68-8
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Moving away from the topic a little, one thing I find fascinating is how naive people are when embracing this new technology.
In Orwell's 1984, "Big Brother is watching you" was the emblem of surveillance by a ruthless Stalinist state. It took the physical form of a poster with eyes that seemed to follow your movements.
Ironically, this kind of surveillance is now taking place, not in the context of a totalitarian communist state, but as a tool of global business: i.e. precisely the opposite of Orwell's scenario.
To make matters worse, people don't even have to be forced to undergo this kind of monitoring. They actually pay to have the necessary equipment installed in their own homes.
Extraordinary when you think about it.
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Zea_Mays
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| 360° surveillance | Aug 26, 2023 |
Philip Lees wrote:
Moving away from the topic a little, one thing I find fascinating is how naive people are when embracing this new technology.
In Orwell's 1984, "Big Brother is watching you" was the emblem of surveillance by a ruthless Stalinist state. It took the physical form of a poster with eyes that seemed to follow your movements.
Ironically, this kind of surveillance is now taking place, not in the context of a totalitarian communist state, but as a tool of global business: i.e. precisely the opposite of Orwell's scenario.
To make matters worse, people don't even have to be forced to undergo this kind of monitoring. They actually pay to have the necessary equipment installed in their own homes.
Extraordinary when you think about it.
I am reading "Going Zero" by Anthony McCarten...
| | | | | Plumber, definitely! | Aug 26, 2023 |
Tom in London wrote:
Bearing in mind that AI is going to make all jobs unnecessary, give me
(a) some examples of careers I should suggest to a 17-year old today
There must be a special antagonicaly relationship between translators and plumbers and why the first ones do always (in fear or admiration?) compare themselves with the latter: More than 650 matches since 2001 when I look up the term "plumber" with the "Search" button here in the forums!
| | | | Jeff Whittaker
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| I predict there will actually be MORE work for translators as a result of AI | Aug 27, 2023 |
The introduction of computers and office automation was supposed to end dependency on paper. Instead, offices began using more paper than ever.
And so it shall be with translation. The availability of "quick" draft translations will result in increased international communication and commerce which at some point will require human intervention.
It will take time for people to realize that the problem is not so much "mistranslation" (which does occur), but rather "inade... See more The introduction of computers and office automation was supposed to end dependency on paper. Instead, offices began using more paper than ever.
And so it shall be with translation. The availability of "quick" draft translations will result in increased international communication and commerce which at some point will require human intervention.
It will take time for people to realize that the problem is not so much "mistranslation" (which does occur), but rather "inadequate" or unadapted translation or "interpretation". Translators and interpreters add a special layer to translation beyond the simple word level. In other words, the machine just translates, it doesn't bother to think about whether or not the person reading the translation, who is by definition often from another culture, society, legal system, UNDERSTANDS the message.
Based on the legal documents I have seen translated by computers, in which things are often literally translated and therefore not clearly or adequately explained, I predict that there will be several disputes filed resulting from parties relying on an inadequate translation and all these court documents will need human intervention at the very least to explain the nature of the dispute.
There are also still a huge number of documents that are not machine legible (pdfs, etc.).
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