Glossary entry

Russian term or phrase:

Не зря говорят, ...

English translation:

Not for nothing do they say...

Added to glossary by Igor Kreknin
Feb 3, 2004 05:21
20 yrs ago
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Russian term

Proposed translations

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Russian term (edited): �� �� ������, ...
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Not for nothing do they say...

That's how I'd put it.

Ref. 1:
The Sexuality Advisor, Issue #9
... State of mind is key here, and the chemistry between partners, too; not for
nothing do they say that the brain is the most important sex organ. ...

Ref. 2:
mad musings of me: Exactly how jealous are you?
... Not for nothing do they say our Secretary of State has the best view in Whitehall...
Posted by: Gert on October 10, 2003 12:31 AM. 100 percent jealous. ...
Peer comment(s):

agree JoeYeckley (X) : This is more than just introducing a proverb or proposition. This phrase also expresses the writer's general positive assessment of the proposition that follows.
22 mins
Exactly. Thank you.
agree kire (X) : that's the best way to say it.
2 hrs
Thank you.
agree Larissa Boutrimova : Though post-grading, but I like this translation very much and can't help agreeing :)
5 hrs
Thank you!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Спасибо огромное. Жаль, что время поджимало и я использовал вариант Larissa B: It is truly said that ... Конечно, вариант Jack Doughty: Not for nothing do they say... просто идеален и _красив_ своей инверсией. Спасибо!"
1 min

It is not said for nothing

...
Peer comment(s):

disagree Ann Nosova : нельзя повторять два отрицания в одном предложении
2 mins
Можно. Так говорят в разговорной речи сами американцы.
agree kire (X)
4 mins
Спасибо
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+3
12 mins

It is truly said that ...

Pointing To Dhamma
It is truly said that the good man is his own best friend while the man of evil ways is his own worst enemy.
www.geocities.com/SoHo/Exhibit/3596/point11.htm
Peer comment(s):

agree Ann Nosova : хорошо перефразировали,смысл сохранен
9 mins
Спасибо, Анна
agree Nikita Kobrin
5 hrs
Спасибо, Никита
agree Alexander Demyanov
6 hrs
Спасибо, Александр
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+1
19 mins

There is a saying , that ...

There is a saying in the former Yugoslavia, that morning foretells the day

"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas

There is a saying that all roads lead to Rome

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Note added at 2004-02-03 09:26:20 (GMT)
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Just a comment

I think that it is an absolutely futile effort to try to find a literal translation for \"не зря говорят, что + поговорка или пословица\"
En English, when people want to make a reference to a proverb or saying, they just use the phrase that I proposed in my answer.
Out of all the answers proposed by other honorable \"Prosers\" only Kire\'s anser is grammatically sound, however the combination of \"it\'s not said for nothing that \" + proverb or saying is not very common

Peer comment(s):

agree kire (X) : I agree that this combination is not very common. I was just upset by the second Ann's wrong "disagree" and wanted to support Alex.
8 hrs
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20 mins

They aren't saying in vain that............

In vain-напрасно(зря), вариант Алекса тоже означает это же,но в вашем вопросе уже содержится отрицание- не зря,тогда,если поставить for nothing получается,что зря,так как в aнглийском не может быть два отрицания (not & nothing)в одном предложении,а смысл требует. Можно и так:
This saying isn't unjust- так мы избегаем повторения,хотя unjust-это тоже несправедливое,неверное в переводе,но там нет прямого отрицания в англ.переводе.Правда,это больше устное выражение.

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Note added at 2004-02-03 06:17:58 (GMT)
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Examples: I do not have any money; I have no money. In addition to not, the following are negative adverbs;never,hardly ever, scarcely ever- I almost never go there. \"Not\" expresses a negative idea, \"no\" also expresses the same. They can not be used in the one sentence.
English Grammar, Betty Schrampfer,ed.Pearso Education,1999(Teacher\'s Guide)
To Kire:
Все претензия к автору и издателям книги - Вы же знаете лучше!

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Note added at 2004-02-03 08:18:14 (GMT)
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Kire-1. I haven\'t ANY time for you lessons and don\'t need them also, even if I have one.
2. And - I can\'t see ANY native speakers in this discussion.
3.The last one argument- the dictionary isn\'t going to help when you make a sentence (only with a word or saying).
Guys, this is so simple, I really can\'t believe it!
All the best with your great knowledge and watch your manners,please!
The wonderful saying \" You are angry- so you are wrong\". Don\'t forget , it\'s really famous.
Peer comment(s):

disagree kire (X) : sorry, but you are making a wrong comment on grammar again. Why don't you check it out first? this is NOT a case with a double negative,but there's no room to discuss it here. Just refresh you grammar, please.
10 mins
прежде всего надо быть вежливым- это неинтеллигентно в такой форме комментировать. решать не вам,а я была права и в 1 и во 2 случаях -спросите носителей языка,они вам скажут,и грамматику тоже ,пожалуйста,освежите
agree Jack Doughty : As a native speaker, I can say that "Not for nothing" is perfectly good English and does not count as a double negative.
5 hrs
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3 hrs

They say not in vain/ One says not in vain/ It is said not in vain/ It has been said not in vain

something of that kind. Good luck, Igor Kreknin!
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4 hrs
Russian term (edited): �� �� ������, ...

as the adage goes

Starting Point: The answer is a good night’s sleep
... can ill afford. Sleep is for the weak. As the adage goes, “You snooze you lose.” Ah, but at what cost? In the classic Catholic ...
www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/011703/011703c.htm

Cyber Aspect - Feature Articles - Dumbing Down
... A picture is worth a thousand words as the adage goes, but the key
is in deciding when a picture is the right tool for the job. ...
www.cyber-aspect.com/features/fa_015.htm


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Page 1. ...Image, as the old adage goes, is everything. Though that might be some- what of an exaggeration, image does a ffect everything we do. ...
www.tha.com/events-2003/THA-Summer-Conference.pd
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+1
4 hrs

as the saying goes ...

...

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Note added at 2004-02-03 09:46:53 (GMT)
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\'As the saying goes\' refers to some sort of familiar wisdom—an aphorism or something of the sort—and attempts to use such folk wisdom in support of a present instance: Our goose, as the saying goes, is cooked. They say is an idiom and clichО meaning “it is widely said (and believed)” or “it is common knowledge…”: They say she’s going to marry him.
http://www.bartleby.com/68/91/5291.html
Peer comment(s):

agree Mariya Almeida
24 mins
neutral Alexander Demyanov : это безусловно один из самых распоространенных выражений, но оно скорее переводится как "как говорится"
1 hr
so? what are you neutral about?
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-1
6 hrs
Russian term (edited): �� �� ������, ...

as they rightly say

достаточно широко употребимый оборот
Peer comment(s):

disagree sergey (X) : it doen't matter whether it is said rightly or wrongly
2 hrs
I do greatly appreciate your habit of supporting your opinion with facts and references
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+1
35 mins

it's not said for nothing

absolutely right grammatically.

for nothing
1. free or without paying:
I got this picture for nothing from a friend.

2. with no good result or for no purpose:
He queued for two hours and (all) for nothing - there were no seats left.
Let us make sure that these brave men ***did not die for nothing***.

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

This is NOT a double negative, but then this is so basic that there's no need to dwell on it.

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Note added at 1 hr 5 mins (2004-02-03 06:27:09 GMT)
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Анна, боже мой, ну кто не знает про двойные отрицания? Но это не тот случай. К сожалению, у меня нет времени давать уроки грамматики он-лайн, но хотя бы прочтите мою ссылку из Кэмбриджского словаря.
А что касается 1-го случая, то рвзве Вы не заметили комментарии как раз носителей языка? Вот линк, почитайте:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/626465#answ_1595598


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Note added at 9 hrs 19 mins (2004-02-03 14:41:02 GMT) Post-grading
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Actually it was not an answer, I just wanted to support Alex. I get upset when people place wrong \"disagrees\",insist on them and do not even listen to native speakers. Is it bad manners to say \"sorry, you are wrong\" and explain why? I don\'t think so.
Peer comment(s):

agree Alex Zelkind (X) : Exactly right
8 mins
but of course it is! It is frustrating though to discuss such basic things, isn't it?
neutral Alexander Demyanov : this may be grammatically correct but hardly anybody uses such a construct
5 hrs
I would agree to that. It is just that I was upset with such obvious misinterpretation of grammar rules.
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