Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Japanese term or phrase:
型より出でて自在を得る
English translation:
master the moves and then master the sport
Added to glossary by
KNielsen
May 5, 2005 16:11
19 yrs ago
Japanese term
型より出でて自在を得る
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The full phrase is, 型を学び型より出でて自在を得るべし。 "型" is the set of movements incorporating karate 技. I guess what I'm having problems with is 出でて, specifically--is what comes after the *result* of practicing kata? Or something else? I can't seem to get hold of the structure. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Proposed translations
(English)
1 +1 | master the moves and then master the sport | Maynard Hogg |
4 +1 | you will obtain universal | Kaori Myatt |
4 | From the form to the mastery sponteneity | humbird |
Proposed translations
+1
5 hrs
Japanese term (edited):
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master the moves and then master the sport
自在 means full control, mastery.
BTW, the few English-speaking karateka that I know use "kata" untranslated. I don't recall hearing it in Spanish in Varadero--just words like "shizentai" and "yasume".
BTW, the few English-speaking karateka that I know use "kata" untranslated. I don't recall hearing it in Spanish in Varadero--just words like "shizentai" and "yasume".
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Humbird, I think you made a really good point about kata. Although everyone practices the same kata, everyone changes it a little. I think the basic meaning contained in this phrase was that you can use the waza contained in kata during kumite matches and so on, so I think Maynard's answer is closest to the meaning I was looking for (although they tell me that karate is distinct from a sport). I agree with Maynard too about leaving some terms untranslated--it's widely done, and also "forms" just kind of sounds funny. Anyway, I translated it as "Master karate through kata"--a slightly liberal take on it--but anyway, thanks a lot, everyone."
+1
3 hrs
you will obtain universal
Learning forms is a basic of martial arts. First you learn forms then you can create your own forms.
型より出でて Based on the forms you have learnt
自在を得る you will obtain universal
Karate is such a philosophical sports.
型より出でて Based on the forms you have learnt
自在を得る you will obtain universal
Karate is such a philosophical sports.
1 day 12 hrs
Japanese term (edited):
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From the form to the mastery sponteneity
Only after mastering basics (katas), you are able to free yourself from kata's constraints. Yet you are not free of the constraints as rule must be observed. When you overcome the initila constraint and they are no more your source of burden. Ony then you get the mastery of it. They become spontaneous moves for you. This is the state of 自在を得る.
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